Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:22 PM
Subject: CC&R's
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Cc: Dana Brown <Dana@albertmgt.com>
I
would like to thank Kay VanZant & Judy Saccente for speaking out
regarding the most recent "rule" changes put forth by the Board. I
support what they are saying 100%. I have been a homeowner for thirteen
years and a renter here long before that. I have seen Monterey go from
a very lush beautiful country club to something along the lines of
shabby .
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Don't get me wrong…I love it here
because it is my home and I take pride in what I have accomplished here.
But I have to point out that it does seem as tho the Board has making
changes that are not all that beneficial to the grounds and the
homeowners.
I
work full time, so it is difficult for me to attend a monthly meeting.
If the Forum/HOA page was up and running and information was put online
it will help me a great deal. Whenever I get a package from MCC I too
groan and say "What Now"??!! Kay's suggestion on keeping it simple and
straight forward regarding anything we need to vote on would greatly
help. I just don't have the time to wade thru it all!
Thank
you Kay for setting a fire beneath my bottom. I was getting complacent
in just accepting the ugly condo colors and the result of chopping up
the landscape.
However,
I did attend the meeting when the vote was overwhelmingly SHOT DOWN to
introduce desert landscaping to MCC, so I have been surprised to see
clumps of stark, unattractive "desert landscaping/ie: rocks popping up
around the club. WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR VOTES?
I
realize that committees are often thankless jobs, but the fact that the
homeowners voted down desert landscaping and it is now made it's way
in, I have to say the results look horrible and cheap.
There seems to be no cohesiveness on our streets, or in our neighborhoods!
I absolutely CRINGE every time I drive thru the gate and make my way up
Avenida
del Sol. The cookie cutter design of an assortment of hodge lodge
plants is so horrible I want to scream every time I drive by.
We would have had a more elegant entry had it been simple..
If you go to clubs like the Hideaway or Rancho LaQuinta they also have desert landscaping, but it is lush and colorful.
We
could've achieved that by taking out some of the dead and really old
plants around the club, and adding some beautiful plants(we don't have
them approved here)…We could've then worked on areas as needed.
The tennis courts are a great example. The dirt, old scrubby plants look horrible….no landscaping there.
My
street is another example of the rock landscaping that is going on.
Most owners have mature plants that are beautiful, and then there are
the rocks and rocks.
I know for a fact
that the landscaping committees of late were determined to "do it their
way"….I was told that the desert look was to get a water credit (?)from
the city.
The fact is, we might have
been able to do it in a more efficient and attractive way, had there
been some who were willing to listen.
I
too used to love to take Gran Via but must say that the pulled out
plants, leaving roots and a dirty wall is just so sad. What was the
plan? Work an area, and finish it. My guests even comment on the
change…..
and its not good!
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:49 PM
Subject: Sherron at 231 Santa Barbara Circle
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
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Subject: Sherron at 231 Santa Barbara Circle
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
Dear Dana, Albert Management and the BOD-MCC
We were recently apprised of the
proposed changes for a meeting set for July 18, 2013. We vehemently
oppose all proposed changes. This includes height limitations above the
wall with regard to plants and vegetation, bicycles on all non-asphalt
areas of the community and finally no walking on the golf paths.
There is no rational basis for each
of these proposed changes. Vegetation is important to the overall
aesthetics with regard to a feeling of green and coolness in a desert
setting. There are an insufficient number of cyclist to even be
concerned with where cyclist should ride. Moreover, the
term "non-asphalt areas" is vague and ambiguous. Finally, it is
extremely rare that we see golfers on the golf path during golfing
hours. Moreover, the restriction on pedestrians on the golf path is even
more unnecessary during the several summer months during which the
number of golfers on the course is at minimum usage.
As the board of directors the focus
must be on our safety, maintenance of swimming pools and other common
facilities and making sure landscaping contracts are reasonable and at
minimum and competitive rates.
We are the homeowners who have
ultimate say so as to restrictions, rights and matters concerning
aesthetics. Drop the proposed changes from proposal and agendas. If you
disagree with this position you let each and every homeowner decide
through vote whether they want these changes.
Again, focus your attention and
changes on maximum upkeep of pools and common area equipment, better
television service and safety and security. Focus solely on ways our
community can save on services and repairs. Leave any such unneeded and
unnecessary changes off your agenda.
Sincerely,
Alvin and Kimberly Sherron
Alvin and Kimberly Sherron
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From: John Chavanne <chavannejohn@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Subject: Comments on HOA directors' communication (lack of)
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
We are very pleased to be part of this community and want to offer our appreciation for the generally outstanding job that members of the HOA Board have done over the past several years. However, we believe that as a community we need more open communication between residents and the Board.
From our perspective we see the following problems that need addressing:
1. Notices of Meetings need to include more detail as to the matters to be discussed/voted on.
2.
A reasonable recap of the minutes/decisions made during the monthly
meetings needs to be at the minimum added to the HOA website with
invitation for comments from the members. No controversial matters
should be voted on (unless an emergency exists) before notice is given
(see 2) to the general membership with invitation to comment. Perhaps a
period of two or three months time could elapse before final vote is
taken. We would think that if this is done on a regular basis it would
help to prevent people from complaining about changes they were not
previously informed of.
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From: Lou Kridle <Lou@kridle.net>
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Subject: Proposed Operating Rule Changes - Monterey Couontry Club, Palm Desert
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com
Cc: Louis Kridle <Lou@kridle.net>
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Subject: Proposed Operating Rule Changes - Monterey Couontry Club, Palm Desert
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com
Cc: Louis Kridle <Lou@kridle.net>
Following
are my comments on the proposed operating rule change. Please pass
this on to the Board members, and have my views expressed at the Board
meeting scheduled for July 18, 2013.
July 1, 2013
Dear General Manager/Board of Directors
I
am NOT in favor of the new/proposed “General Landscape Guidelines” and
do not feel the Association has the right to require me to adhere to
either height or plant/tree selection for my enclosed courtyard or
enclosed side yard. It is my personal space. Likewise, I am NOT in
favor of requiring me to choose from the “Association Approved Plant
List”. What was wrong with the State of California Regulations?
Under
“I – Workmanship” you added a lot about “Contractor Member”. I see no
reason for this. Shouldn’t all “contractors” (whether “Member” or not)
abide by ALL the regulations?
Personally,
I think it is inappropriate to send out almost 100 pages of changes
without an explanation of why these changes are necessary. Also, this
is NOT the time of year to get feedback from owners – do it in January –
March when most of the owners are in Palm Desert. I recommend you
table this action until January – March 2014.
You
can’t list/document every single issue that may arise relating to
CC&R’s or Operating Rules. I think you have gone too far and are
being overly restrictive. As an example: did one person, one time,
place dog feces in the pool trash container, and now we have to have a
written rule.
Sincerely
Lou Kridle (290 San Vicente Circle) July 11, 2013
I
will follow this up with a hard copy “Attention General Manager/Board
of Directors”, Monterey Country Club Association, 275 Avenida Del Sol,
Palm Desert, CA 92260
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From: Lola and Norm <nolo@shaw.ca>
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
AS
A SNOWBIRD WE ARE SO DISAPPOINTED IN ALL THIS BECAUSE WE FEEL THE BOARD
MUST BE HAVING A BORING SUMMER TO COME UP WITH ALL THIS RIDICULOUS
THINGS WHILE MOST OF THE RESIDENCES ARE BACK IN THE HOME STATE OR
CANADA. PLEASE FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO THEN DISRUPT THE LANDSCAPE
AND THE BEAUTY OF MONTEREYCC AND LEAVE US ALONE TP ENJOY EACH OTHER
GARDENS AND PLANTS AND COLORS.
LOLA AND NORMAN PAWER
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From: gene lewis <genelewis246@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
This
is the 21st. Century. It is the century of Communication, Computers,
I-Phones, Tablets, Tweet, Facebook, Skype, and many many other ways,
yet, Albert Management in conjunction with MCC HOA, can't seem how to
get clear and accurate information disseminated to the homeowners, who
by the way, are who you work FOR, and who pay your salaries. Why is so
important to change the CC&R's for our community, during a period
when approx. 80% of the owners are not present. This reeks of
Underhanded Intentions, and Self Fulfilling Agenda manipulation. This
current HOA board, in conjunction with the management group, still after
many years of dysfunctionality, don't get it. Do your jobs with the
interest of most of the homeowners in mind, and do it in the Sunshine,
for Everyone to see. As are representatives, paid and volunteers, it is
your responsibility to keep us the homeowners, your boss, informed of
your actions and potential changes. It is not our job to go to every
board meeting if we want to know what is going on. Do Your Job. If you
cannot figure out how to communicate, then we need people who can.
Again, it is the 21st. Century.
Gene A. Lewis: 246 SBC: 760 285 - 0857
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From: roger k mcmillan <rmcmillan@ultraplix.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
WARNING: You will pay a toll to drive a golf cart on Santa Barbara Circle
unless you own a condo on Santa Barbara. A yearly pass will be available.
roger mcmillan, 222 santa Barbara circle.
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
WARNING: You will pay a toll to drive a golf cart on Santa Barbara Circle
unless you own a condo on Santa Barbara. A yearly pass will be available.
roger mcmillan, 222 santa Barbara circle.
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From: Joan Ganje-Fischer <fischerj@nvc.net>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM
Subject: Rules changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com

From: Ed Rudetsky <erudetsky@dc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana @albertmgt.com>
From: Joan Ganje-Fischer <fischerj@nvc.net>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM
Subject: Rules changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com
July 12, 2013
Dear Monterey Country Club General Manager and Board of Directors;
We want to share with you that we are sincerely opposed to the “Landscape Guideline” changes under consideration by the HOA board of directors at their July 18, 2013 board meeting. We are especially opposed to requiring homeowners to select from a list of “approved” venders for work done within our units. Also, any attempt by the board to make changes to CC and R rules and regulations “in the middle of the night” is offensive. Whether purposeful or otherwise, this action gives the appearance of impropriety. Unless emergency dictates, all rule changes should only be purposed/made during those months when a majority of homeowners are in residence.
In totality, we are very disappointed with the current actions of this board of directors and request members either reconsider their actions or resign in favor of individuals who have greater respect for Monterey Country Club homeowners rights and obligations. Thank you.
Sincerely yours;
Joan and Larry Fischer, 289 San Vicente Circle
Hard copy to General Manager/Board of Directors”, Monterey Country Club Association, 275 Avanade Del Sol, Palm Desert, CA 92260 to follow.
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From: Karl Hesper [mailto:hesper1@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 10:04 AM
To: Joan Ganje-Fischer
Subject: Re: Rules changes
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 10:04 AM
To: Joan Ganje-Fischer
Subject: Re: Rules changes
Joan,
Perfect, I could not said it better.
If you want to put or name on your Letter, fell free to do so!!
Karl & Brigitte
Sent from my iPhone
Sent from my iPhone
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From: Joan Ganje-Fischer <fischerj@nvc.net>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:23 AM
Subject: FW: Rules changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com, joe@albertmgt.com
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:23 AM
Subject: FW: Rules changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com, joe@albertmgt.com
It appears other homeowners also feel that what the MCC HOA Board is doing is very wrong.
_________________________________________________________
From: Joan Ganje-Fischer [mailto:fischerj@nvc.net]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 9:51 AM
To: 'Joe Gibbs'
Subject: RE: Monterey Country Club Association Email Bulletin -Board Meeting Agenda
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 9:51 AM
To: 'Joe Gibbs'
Subject: RE: Monterey Country Club Association Email Bulletin -Board Meeting Agenda
Joe;
With 90% of your homeowners not in residence, do you feel having this meeting is appropriate? Given the situation how do you expect reasonable in put from Monterey Country Club homeowners; or is this more about just doing what you want to do at a time when no one is present to object? This action is totally inappropriate. Joan Ganje-Fischer, 289 San Vicente Circle.
Joan Ganje-Fischer, President
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From: Ed Rudetsky <erudetsky@dc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana
I
am certain that homeowners should trim plants in their courtyard to
community standards. We all know the difference between a jungle and an
English garden. Also, a kaleidoscope of color from patio to patio
might turn the MCC into a circus of a thousand colors. Pale brown is a
pleasant way to go. If one wishes to express himself in color, why not
take it to the privacy of one’s bedroom and leave the common grounds
neutral.
I oppose the plant height rule change.
I do not want more patio colors.
PS
(Our civilized discourse is the envy of my friends at the Springs.)
Edwin Rudetsky
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From: Kathy Mendel <mendel2020@aol.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana @albertmgt.com>
I Oppose the plant height restrictions that the board is trying to pass! Let the homeowners enjoy what they want in the little privacy we have here!
I Oppose the plant height restrictions that the board is trying to pass! Let the homeowners enjoy what they want in the little privacy we have here!
Also lets have some color on our patios!
With
the introduction of grey rocks & unimaginative desert landscaping(
which I remember was overwhelmingly voted DOWN).. it seems like it is
popping up everywhere...
It would be nice to see some color.
Kathy Mendel
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From: Robert Purvin <rpurvin@aafd.org>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>, Monterey Homeowner <Montereyhomeowners@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana @albertmgt.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>, Monterey Homeowner <Montereyhomeowners@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana
I
don’t see how to comment on the rule changes, but my wife and I have
enjoyed walking on the cart paths during the early evenings. I don’t
think we have ever
even seen a golfer during our walks, but to make such access a
violation of HOA rules is disappointing. With the recent quorum changes
to our HOA, I understand that a very small number of owners now has the
power to invoke such changes.
Robert L. Purvin, Jr.
Certified California Franchise Law Specialist
Negotiation and Mediation Services
315 Villena Way
Palm Desert, CA 92260
619-649-0748 (Direct Line)
866-855-1988 (Toll Free Fax)
______________________________________________________________________________
From: Deena Brown <mabdeena@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana @albertmgt.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana
We
are part-time residents with internet access. Our full-time neighbors
do not have internet. I believe each resident needs to be informed of
any changes to the HOA rules. Every resident pay dues – not just the
ones with internet, yet we are the only ones that know this is going
on.
We
also believe that changes to the HOA should only be made November
through March and that all residents must be notified by hard copy in
the mail unless they have opted out for email notifications.
Deena Brown
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From: <RalphBolliger@aol.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana @albertmgt.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana
I want more color possibilities on the patio. Last year my friend has
some yellow umbrellas which he as asked to remove because they were not "desert
tones" Then I looked around and saw beautiful yellow flowers all
over common areas. The restrictions make the place look to sterile.
Please defer this matter until all of us snowbirds can get down there and
review it.
Thanks. Ralph
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From: JOE S JR JOANN BONAWITZ <alohajj@msn.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Subject: proposed rule change
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana@albertmgt.com>
We veto the proposed rule change in re the height of plants/trees in the enclosed patio areas of individual owners properties.
Joe and Jo-Ann Bonawitz
177 Las Lomas
Palm Desert, Ca.
Sent from my iPad
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Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Subject: proposed rule change
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana@albertmgt.com>
We veto the proposed rule change in re the height of plants/trees in the enclosed patio areas of individual owners properties.
Joe and Jo-Ann Bonawitz
177 Las Lomas
Palm Desert, Ca.
Sent from my iPad
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Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Subject: Police State
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
The BOD are out of control. Maybe time for a recall.
Sent from my iPhone
Subject: Police State
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
The BOD are out of control. Maybe time for a recall.
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Chris Sharp <chris.sharp@clara.co.uk>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM
Subject: Rule changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana@albertmgt.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM
Subject: Rule changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana@albertmgt.com>
Dear HOA Board,
We
have not previously engaged in the discussion about issues at MCC,
believing that the Board was acting in the best interests of owners.
However, we share the serious current concerns of homeowners, who have
posted comments on the forum, about the proposed rule changes related to
bushes and patio colours, and the loss of the clubhouse swimming pool.
Having had experience of visiting East Germany, whilst living in the
West, before the wall came down, we cannot but compare the excessive
rules and drabness of that illegal state to the draconian rule changes
now to be discussed, and probably adopted at MCC. As commented by other
bloggers, we chose MCC to buy our home in the US because we wanted to
relax and enjoy the fabulous views and restful ambience. The influences
in decision making by executive bodies are often opaque. One often
understands where this influence is coming from in Government decisions,
but who is influencing the Board in these proposed changes? Such
influences in a community such as MCC should be transparent and the
whole process open to debate, which has belatedly happened. The Board
needs to delay any decision for several months until the significance of
the proposed changes has been fully appreciated by all interested
homeowners.
Chris & Dee Sharp
___________________________________________________________________________________________
From: Lou Kridle <Lou@kridle.net>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:22 AM
Subject: RE: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
From: Lou Kridle <Lou@kridle.net>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:22 AM
Subject: RE: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Amen. I FAXed my opposition to the Board Monday. Lou Kridle, 290 San Vicente Cir.
_____________________________________________________________________________________
From: <Bafavoof@aol.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:44 AM
Subject: rule change
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:44 AM
Subject: rule change
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: Dana Brown <dana@albertmgt.com>
I oppose the plant height rule change.What about the privacy between condo
patios? We all don't have side yards or end units that are walled in. And
what's wrong with more colors? We are in the year of 2013. Get with
it!!!!! Betty Fabian.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Subject: growth height
To: "dana@albertmgt.com" <dana@albertmgt.com>
Cc: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julie Hawkes <hawkes_julie@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Subject: Sent to the MCC board
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Subject: growth height
To: "dana@albertmgt.com" <dana@albertmgt.com>
Cc: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
As
the saying goes "if its not broken don't fix it" If one or a few owners
have allowed the growth to get out of control; speak to them
directly. Don't come up with a blanket rule. The side yards are a
source of enjoyment. Pleasing to the eye. If everyone has to cut them
back all you see is a lot of brick walls.
Sincerely,
James Kennedy
327 San Remo
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM, <Margerypalm@aol.com> wrote:
From: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Rule Changes
To: Marge Barrett McMenomy <Margerypalm@aol.com>
I am writing this in hopes that you will read it before 7/18/13. I am prepared to drive to Monterey Country Club to voice my opinion on what the "board" is trying to push through as NEW RULES, at the board meeting on July 18, 2013. That would be a 120 miles drive ONE WAY, just to say what gives you the right to make up these "new rules" without any discussion from the rest of the homeowners??? I definitely vote against the proposal to lower the height of ANY plant or tree to the height of the wall. We could end up with a place that resembles the Berlin Wall!!! Please, think before you make these "off the wall" rule changes. They do not benefit the majority of homeowners & they are totally uncalled for without some discussion from all of US.Marge Barrett McMenomy 260 Avenida Del Sol
From: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Rule Changes
To: Marge Barrett McMenomy <Margerypalm@aol.com>
Hi Marge,
No
need to drive so far. There will be sufficient opposition at the board
meeting. If the board is so intent on having it's way in the face of so
much homeowner opposition, then your support will be needed to reverse
their approval of these Proposed Rule Changes by a homeowners veto.
Thanks for your support.__________________________________________________________________
From: Julie Hawkes <hawkes_julie@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Subject: Sent to the MCC board
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
To the MCC board -
This
is the first letter I've written to the board. As an owner for the past
ten years, I've read with disappointment how the board and owners
relate to each other. Perhaps the better description is how they are at
odds most of the time. This is unfortunate, because board members, on
the whole, spend extra time working on issues that impact us all, yet
they are perceived as power-hungry and dismissive of the owners' wishes.
And when one thinks they need to defend against the other, it costs us
all real money.
In my opinion, one of the ways the
board can improve this relationship is by not proposing rule changes
unless absolutely necessary for the safety or proper management of the
club. Enforcement of the existing rules when there are problems without
creating
new onerous rules for everyone is typically received better in
organizations.
If you think about great leaders,
which I hope the board members of our association aspire to be, they
lead by example...they "walk the walk" as we used to say at work. They
attempt to "govern" by gaining the support and consensus of people, not
by out-voting another faction, and not by creating more and more
restrictive rules. It would be great to see the board members
communicate their ideas for resolving issues, solicit comments from
owners, and then hold meetings based on these discussions.
Another
way to display the board's accountability toward owners would be to
avoid proposing rule changes when a large majority of owners are absent
from their homes. Proposing controversial rule changes now, as opposed
to the November to May time period, will always raise the hackles of
people who, just like board members, want a beautiful, safe
neighborhood in which to live. It's just common sense.
And
what's the worst that can happen if the board waits until everyone is
back to make a change? Maybe that plant will grow another 6 inches, but
it probably isn't going to hurt anyone. And in a desert environment,
seeing more of a wall, instead of a beautiful bougainvillea cascading
over the wall, makes us all feel hotter!
The best
of all situations would be for the board and the owners to feel as if
they are working in tandem to resolve genuine safety and management
issues. Because owners are not around in the off season and don't attend
board meetings, it must seem to the board that we aren't interested.
Believe me, we are.
Thank you for listening.
Julie Hawkes
242 Calle Del Verano
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From: Bob Randall <heybobok@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Randall <heybobok@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Amen to all above.
Randall 201 madrid.
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From: Robert Purvin <rpurvin@aafd.org>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>, Monterey Homeowner <Montereyhomeowners@gmail.com>, Dana Brown <dana@albertmgt.com>
From: Robert Purvin <rpurvin@aafd.org>
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>, Monterey Homeowner <Montereyhomeowners@gmail.com>, Dana Brown <dana@albertmgt.com>
How
do you vote against the Rule change involving cart paths. We enjoy
sunset walks on the golf course paths and have never seen a golfer
during the hours
we walk.
Introducing the
AAFD Story video (3 ½ minutes)
Robert L. Purvin, Jr.
Chair and CEO
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From: <joanne@lasmoglaw.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Hi there,
We have not been down in Palm Desert due to work obligations here
in Sherman Oaks. I am so opposed to all these changes, and I really want
to know who decides on these things? I was furious at the idea of
chopping all the golf course side patio plants to 48 inches. It will
mean we will have zero privacy when sitting out on our patios. Someone
suddenly decided it would look better? Who? We have a neighbor who was
able to get these beautiful pink blossoming trees removed from a common
area because they bothered him, and now their place is up for sale.
These trees were gorgeous. When our pool area was revamped they removed
three beautiful trees that provided the only shade. The pool area looks
fantastic, but the shade trees could have been left alone.
And now we won't be able to walk on the golf cart path when no one
is golfing? Who decided this? It seems like a few people make up all the
rules and change them when they want. The meetings are always on
Thursdays when the part time owners aren't in town.
I wonder if those lawyers Monterey retains come up with some of this stuff? They really should have been sued for malpractice.
What happened less government?
Joanne Gough
459 Sierra Madre N.
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From: Steven Leon <stevenleon1@msn.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM
Subject: Proposed HOA Changes: NOT IN FAVOR!
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Cc: Julia Leon <julialeon03@hotmail.com>
Dear General Manager/BOD of Monterey CC,
As a unit owner residing in at 219 Calle Del Verano, we are very sad, disappointed and flummoxed to say the least on the proposed changes regarding plant height restrictions, no walking on the golf paths, fence protecting us from errant golf balls, et al...as are several disgruntled folks.
WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES!
After reviewing several frustrated Monterey CC occupants, it's fairly clear to us (and several others) that having a board meeting in the middle of the summer (when most folks are not present) implies impropriety by the Monterey GM and Board of Directors to attempt to pass through these proposed changes with minimal opposition from vacant residents.
All Monterey units are as unique as the individuals that occupy them; what is not unique is that the BOD continually (and frequently) insults the intelligence and freedom of expression that we all have as owners. In most cases, the unique brand that brought us to Monterey in the first place (there are several other developments in the area, by the way) has started to erode by tactics such as these.
Nonetheless, we all pay the monthly HOA dues and other associated fees like clockwork; however, it appears that the inner workings of the board that governs us at times does not work as smoothly...
Keep it simple; there is no rational or necessary basis for these changes. Please refrain and reconsider your position on these changes. Do not invite unwanted (and unnecessary) legal implications regarding the letter of the law contained in the CCR's on what is and is not common and or individual in an enclosed area of individual owner property.
Use of individual owner property, (that we pay for), HOA dues that pay for other common areas on Monterey that we pay for and legal fees (that we do not need to pay for) need to be seriously considered.
We trust you will make the right decision (or some legal basis will do it for us all...) in the meantime, we oppose these changes.
Sincerely,
Julia and Steven Leon
219 Calle Del Verano
Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM
Subject: Proposed HOA Changes: NOT IN FAVOR!
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com" <montereyopenforum@gmail.com>
Cc: Julia Leon <julialeon03@hotmail.com>
Dear General Manager/BOD of Monterey CC,
As a unit owner residing in at 219 Calle Del Verano, we are very sad, disappointed and flummoxed to say the least on the proposed changes regarding plant height restrictions, no walking on the golf paths, fence protecting us from errant golf balls, et al...as are several disgruntled folks.
WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES!
After reviewing several frustrated Monterey CC occupants, it's fairly clear to us (and several others) that having a board meeting in the middle of the summer (when most folks are not present) implies impropriety by the Monterey GM and Board of Directors to attempt to pass through these proposed changes with minimal opposition from vacant residents.
All Monterey units are as unique as the individuals that occupy them; what is not unique is that the BOD continually (and frequently) insults the intelligence and freedom of expression that we all have as owners. In most cases, the unique brand that brought us to Monterey in the first place (there are several other developments in the area, by the way) has started to erode by tactics such as these.
Nonetheless, we all pay the monthly HOA dues and other associated fees like clockwork; however, it appears that the inner workings of the board that governs us at times does not work as smoothly...
Keep it simple; there is no rational or necessary basis for these changes. Please refrain and reconsider your position on these changes. Do not invite unwanted (and unnecessary) legal implications regarding the letter of the law contained in the CCR's on what is and is not common and or individual in an enclosed area of individual owner property.
Use of individual owner property, (that we pay for), HOA dues that pay for other common areas on Monterey that we pay for and legal fees (that we do not need to pay for) need to be seriously considered.
We trust you will make the right decision (or some legal basis will do it for us all...) in the meantime, we oppose these changes.
Sincerely,
Julia and Steven Leon
219 Calle Del Verano
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