Most homeowners may not have taken much notice of these Proposed Rule Changes (a 60 page document with changes to about half of the document) but a few so far have expressed their objections to rule changes that may have significant negative effects on Monterey CC residents if these changes are allowed to take place.
Below is a letter to the Board that we believe each resident should be aware of. Others have either written (letter or email) to the Board or intend to do so. There comments will be posted on this when available.
All residents are encouraged to make their disapproval or approval of any or all these Rule Changes to the Board as soon as possible (time is of the essence) and then share your comments with other residents by posting your email/letter comments made to Board to this BLOG:
internet address = monteryopenforum.blogspot.com
or by e-mailing your comments for posting to:
montereyopenforum@gmail.com
HOA HAS NO AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT HOMEOWNER USE OF THE
GOLF CART/PEDESTRIAN PATH
Homeowners have provided photos of area that would be affected by the PLANT HEIGHT RULE. Check them out under
FORUM TOPIC- PLANT RULE PHOTO Click to see Photos
Posting to this BLOG can be made directly below or to FORUM TOPICS listed to the right which address specific Rule Changes or by making a comment on any of the postings by others.
You are also requested to pass this information on to other residents who on your e-mail list or while walking around Monterey. Our email list is limited to a few hundred residents.
To read all comments received so far click comments directly below.
From: Peggy Heide
ReplyDeleteDate: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: MONTEREY HOA PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
To: Monterey Open Forum
Cc: Monterey Homeowners , Dana Brown
We believe the proposed rule changes would definitely have a negative effect on Monterey Country Club.
*Although we do not have a side yard it is a pleasure to see the beautiful trees, cactus, etc as we walk and drive through the Club. We can't believe it would be better to just see concrete walls. If a homeowner is not keeping up their side yard, why not send them a letter and fine them if they do not comply. Why penalize everyone?
A big part of the beauty of Monterey is the beautiful, mature trees, bushes and plantings.
*What does it hurt to let members walk on the cart paths? Perhaps restrict the hours - before 8:00 a.m. and after 5:00 p.m.
These changes seem to be taking place under a "shroud" of secrecy. We believe these rule changes should be discussed when many of the owners have returned in the fall and are able to attend the meetings.
Bill & Peggy Heideman
274 Tolosa Circle
Sent from my iPad
From: gene lewis
ReplyDeleteDate: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Subject: Timing:
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Cc: Ted Broome
I find your timing on changing current CC& R's, to be most underhanded and despicable. Again, our board is demonstrating the lack of leadership, and honest intent. Since you wanted to sit on this governing assembly, hopefully, not to serve a personal agenda, either do what is honest and correct for the community, or resign. . When you were sworn in to your office, did you not take an oath to serve with honesty and integrity? If yes, now is the time to show it.
--
Gene Lewis
From: Chuck Pepper
ReplyDeleteDate: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 7:46 PM
Subject: Proposed Rule Changes
To: dana@albertmgt.com
Cc: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
With reference to the General Landscape Guidelines, paragraph e, page 45 of the document, I am concerned that the Board is trying to force homeowners to restrict the height of trees to wall height. We have just purchased a property and there is an olive tree in the corner as you enter our side yard. Currently it is about 8 feet high so it will not meet the criteria as set out in this proposed change. We are not in residence at the moment, we are snowbirds, but, plan to have this tree professionally trimmed this fall. But, it makes no sense to try and cut it back to wall height. We would have to remove the tree. It is a beautiful tree. Why do we have to destroy it? I agree that there is a problem in some areas with out of control growth, but, does this mean that we have to destroy healthy trees? Is there not a better solution out there?
Chuck Pepper
4530 Hamptons Way NW
Calgary, AB T3A 5H7
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Subject: Judy Saccente's Letter
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
I am in complete agreement with all of Judy Saccente's comments in her letter. I see absolutely no logic to any of the items a,b,c or d. Let's not ruin Monterey Country Club with some totally unneeded new rules.
Simcerely,
Carolyn Moss
119 Juan Circle
From: Lola and Norm
ReplyDeleteDate: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Subject: board
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Cc: dana@albertmat.com
WE LIVE ON TOLOSA CIRCLE AND LET ME TELL YOU THE BOARD MUST BE HAVING A HOT BORING SUMMER TO
COME UP WITH ALL THIS NONSENSE. FIRSTLY YOUR COURTYARD IS YOURS AND TO TELL YOU WHAT TO HAVE IS RIDICULOUS
COLOR OF FURNITURE IS A NO BRAINER…YELLOW , ORANGE, RED, PURPLE IS OUT OF STYLE SO WE SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT IT .
PLEASE PUT OUR OBJECTIONS IN AND THIS DOES NOT EVEN EFFECT US AS OUR GARDEN IS ALL DESERT AND LOW.
LOLA AND NORMAN PAWER
286 TOLOSA CIRCLE
From: John Robert
ReplyDeleteDate: Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Subject: Rules Changes
To: dana@albertmgt.com
Cc: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Dear Dana,
I have read much of the suggested rule changes and find that none of them will improve our quality of life here at Monterey CC. If that is the case, then why make changes. Does our Board have nothing better to do?
I'm for less government not more. Why is it that elected officials at all levels seem motivated to encroach on our individual freedom through laws and rules.
Bob Fort
319 San Remo
From: James Kennedy
ReplyDeleteDate: Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM
Subject: new paint
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
The new paint was to be one color on the stucco and the other on the wood trim. the only trim that is being painted the other color is the doors,windows and the eves the rest of the trim is all painted the same color as the stucco! It looks flat / no style this is not the look of the Monterey. I wrote and asked about this and was told this what was the colors picked out and a few houses were paintd for us to look at so we could tell them if liked the colors or not.When I looked at the new paint I was just looking at the colors I did not notice most of the trim was painted the same as the stucco. I think it looks cheep. If most people like this new look so be it I just waned to point this out so if we wantd to change we could do it befor its to late.
James Kennedy
From: LLOYD
ReplyDeleteDate: Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: MONTEREY HOA PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
To: Monterey Open Forum
Certainly I object to proposed non emergency Rule
changes floated during the summer when few owners
are in residence. Seems like this should be the subject
for consideration at the annual homeowners meeting
when all are at least attentive.
Robinson, 329 Sierra Madre South
From: Pam Viets
ReplyDeleteDate: Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: MONTEREY HOA PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
To: Monterey Open Forum , Monterey Homeowners
Cc: Dana Brown
Fellow homeowners and Board
As others may be, we were very concerned with the message of the email below. However, there may be a misunderstanding. Although item e on page 45 would be a problem if ‘plant material’ includes trees, item E8b on page 49 is more explicit. ‘Plant material, other than trees, in courtyard or sideyard cannot exceed height of surrounding walls or gate’. Thus trees seem to be protected, a very important issue since trees are one of the beautiful distinguishing characteristics which led us to Monterey 16 years ago.
We suggest that there are perhaps a few other reasonable exceptions to the proposed rule, for example tall cacti.
Sincerely,
Hermann and Pam Viets
PS. We did attempt to access the Monterey Open Forum Blog and found it unavailable.
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:02 AM
Subject: Proposed changes
To: dana@albertmgt.com
Cc: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
I have read the proposal and the comments from others and strongly oppose the changes for several reasons:
Restricting height to wall height would require people to remove nice fruit trees etc.
Green trees and plants add to the beauty of our facility.
I'm sure the board would face lawsuits again at a cost to homeowners. Why?
The board should be looking for ways to reduce homeowners monthly fees and not for things like this!
Board members should not take positions but represent the majority.
Sorry I don't have more tie to explain the role of being on a board - I have to go fishing up here where it is cool.
Also recommend you table this issue until those of us who are not there during the summer return.
Thank you
Vern and Lucille Keener
154 Madrid Ave
Palm Desert
From: Richard Reynolds
ReplyDeleteDate: Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:23 PM
Subject: Reducing hieght of plants in Patiosl
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
I am personally completely against this bullying in regards to the height of plants in a patio area....if a member has a problem with the height of a neighbours plants then this should be taken up with the board and dealt with on an individual basis....leave the rest of us alone!! To demand an overall compliance to all patios in Monterey is excessive and bordering on fanaticism. Give your head a shake and relax or your in for a another legal battle...these plants are esthetically pleasing and most importantly often provide safety barriers from golf balls. This is much ado over nothing....but people won't be pushed around...they will fight back or just leave Monterey all together. I have heard about the nightmares of owning a strata, well thanks to the Monterey Board you are making it a reality. I am sure the board does a lot of great work but don't take yourself too seriously...you are supposed to make life convenient for the members at large and not to be a bunch of ---- disturbers. Rick Reynolds
P.S. if the Board wants to get bent all out of shape why don't you shut don't Pickle Ball???? It is unbelievably noisy and above the sound level bylaws of Palm Desert and penetrates completely into the interior living spaces of the condos surrounding the Pickle Ball courts...it is intrusive and doesn't generate much if any income for the club...why is the board allowing it to continue even though it aggravates everyone living near the tennis courts and often it can even be heard all the way to the putting green??? Horror up Horrors
From: mw1951
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Subject: Plants and walls
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
July 8, 2013
We have no recollection of receiving a communication about the walls, etc.,
but strongly oppose the proposal, and are grateful to Judy Saccente for her
letter to the Board.
We have been at Monterey for 33 years, and from the start have enjoyed a
wide variety of cactuses (cacti?!) in our courtyard. To date, none of our
neighbors have complained, and to the extent that these plants have exceeded
the height of the walls, we think that this has added a welcome individuality
to the complex.
As you probably know, some types of cactus grow very quickly, so we
voluntarily trim them from time to time, but we have to be careful that we don't
cut off the flowering parts at the tops. And we obeyed an order a few years ago
to trim the plants when they brushed against the shingles.
So---please don't require unneeded conformity!
Joan and Michael Weinberg, Jr.
391 Gran Via
From: Candace Nicklen
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Subject: Trees.
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
It is ludicrous to even suggest removing all trees and shrubs that r taller than the wall. I just spent $265 before I left for the summer to insure that nothing was hanging over the walls of my side yard. I can't imagine the look of my side yard without my plants and trees and I can't afford their removal!!! 233 Serena. This should not be up for discussion during the summer when many are gone.
Sent from my iPhone
From: Tim Lillard
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:19 AM
Subject: RE: MONTEREY HOA PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
To: Monterey Open Forum
Mrs TT – the same issue is ours here – with our queen palms. They have to be nuts to attempt to make a change like this. I can see bushes being compliant BUT not trees for God’s sake.
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: MONTEREY HOA PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
To: Monterey Open Forum
I am tired of being harassed for ridiculous so called offenses! The latest that my umbrellas don't match!
What about the tacky patios with old junkie furniture on countless units with faded fake flower baskets and so on!
Enough!
Sent from my iPhone
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteFrom: Lorette Reddy
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: MONTEREY HOA PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
To: Monterey Open Forum
I agree this hoa is getting too nit picking 1984 shoukd not be applied In 2013 we need some indivbiduality lorette reddy
From: Dana Brown
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: MONTEREY HOA PROPOSED RULE CHANGES
To: Peggy Heide , Monterey Open Forum
Cc: Monterey Homeowners
Mr. & Mrs. Heide,
The proposed landscape height restriction rule has nothing to do with the height of the trees. The height restriction is only for shrubs/plant material. Trees can grow to their natural state so long as they are not causing any damage to the roof tiles, eaves etc. I think someone misread the rules and sent out an email to many owners in error. If you go to page 45 & 49 it does reference “Other than Trees”.
I hope this clarifies this issue at hand regarding the proposed height restriction.
Sincerely,
Dana Brown, CCAM l General Manager
Monterey Country Club Association, Inc
From: Scott McDaniel
ReplyDeleteDate: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM
Subject: Monterey Proposed rule changes
To: "dana@albertmgt.com"
Cc: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
I am writing to express my opposition to 2 of the proposed rule changes.
Regarding the bushes and cactus that extend above wall heights - this is not a problem and should be left alone.
Regarding walking on the golf paths - It is very reasonable to prohibit walking on the cart paths during hours of normal play, 8:00am to 6:00pm. Walking on the paths should not be prohibited during the early morning and evening hours.
Please see that be Monterey Board of Directors is made aware of these comments prior to the upcoming meeting.
Thank you very much.
Sincerely,
Scott McDaniel
215 Las Lomas
From: Todd Dokken
ReplyDeleteDate: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:52 AM
Subject: Proposed Rule Change on Plants
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
I am a homeowner and totally in disagreement with the HOA Board’s desire to change the rules on restricting plant heights to be no taller than the wall. I cannot understand why the Board feels the need to be so restrictive in this regard and to take such a strong position on everyone’s individual property. We all want the Monterey grounds to look nice and I believe that creativity and individuality in plants and landscaping is what adds to the beauty and uniqueness of the Monterey complex. I feel the vast majority of the homeowners take tremendous pride in their property and are not going to allow plants, trees, and overall landscaping to become an eyesore. I think that the Board can deal with the small minority for whom this is not the case without needing to penalize the rest of the homeowners who spend their time and money insuring that their properties are well manicured.
Todd Dokken
Director, Sales Enablement
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Subject: Opposed to Proposed Operating Rule Changes
To: dana@albertmgt.com
Cc: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Dear Dana and to whom it may concern:
I greatly oppose the proposed changes to the Operating Rules. Leaving the line by line analysis to those more elegant members who have already voiced their disapproval, I would like to put forth my bullet points:
· The board needs to be FIRMLY reminded that we are tax and fee paying residents in MCC, not prisoners nor criminals that require the resources of our already inefficient security staff for privacy invasion and policing.
· Speaking of security, rather than having security staff policing residents and distributing tickets to tall growing plants, how about they work on lowering the crime rate within our “security gated” community? (Are the residents made aware of the outrages crime rate here in MCC?)
· As probably one the youngest and non “onsite” sport participating residents, infringing on peoples basic constitutional freedoms is a good way to not only deter people from wanting to own in MCC it will motivate people to leave. With this economy, age demographic, and the precarious future of golf, the board should be well advised to refrain from making short term myopic decisions.
· The way I see it, we are being requested to pay more (don’t forget about the HOA due increase coming up in 2014) for less services and increased restriction of basic freedoms.
· Also, regarding the restriction of our right to walk, IN A COMMUNITY WITH NO SIDEWALKS, “Are you kidding me?” I pay $100 a month in membership fees…I am sure that covers the impact my walking has on the American Golf owned paths.
· Lastly, I agree whole heartedly with other members regarding their outrage with the tactics used for an elite few to pass their self-serving rules.
Sincerely,
Anne-Jeanne “AJ” Rothchild and
Madeline Rothchild
268 Santa Barbara Circle
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kay Van Zant Email to the Board
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
I agree VERY MUCH with the views expressed by Kay Van Sant. I especially would like any action to be delayed until the winter months when we snowbirds and rainbirds will have a chance for input face to face with the board.
Thank you.
Ralph Bolliger
From: Lillian Waniata
ReplyDeleteDate: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Subject: Rule change on plant height
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
I am completely baffled by this proposed rule change.............what is the purpose? What is your end goal?
I just spent thousands of dollars landscaping my back patio and front courtyard. This will affect several of the things I planted in my courtyard, Even ones that are on your approved plant list will have to be removed with this proposed rule.
I think that the greenery and flowers above the fences add personality and beauty to the community and privacy to the owners. Without these trees, shrubs, etc. showing, our community will look like a cold ugly track housing community. That is not what I signed up for. I want to live in paradise. Isn't that why most of us are here?
It is outrageous to expect homeowners to go t the huge expense of removing these things from their courtyard and then having to replace it with new landscaping................you can't just have short shrubs in your courtyard. We have the right to make them beautiful and eventually anything that grows taller than a shrub, will have to be cut down and removed..........you can't keep a pygmy palm or an ocotillo from growing that tall. You will have to remove them..............eventually we will all be stuck with just boring shrubs and vines........and that is unacceptable. I have desert landscaping, so that leaves me with even fewer choices.
On the off chance that you are really just trying to get rid of the fruit trees, then address it head on. I can't even begin to imaging why else you would try to take this away from us.
Lil Waniata
287 Castellana No
From: Kathy Mendel
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:22 PM
Subject: CC&R's
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Cc: Dana Brown
I would like to thank Kay VanZant & Judy Saccente for speaking out regarding the most recent "rule" changes put forth by the Board. I support what they are saying 100%. I have been a homeowner for thirteen years and a renter here long before that. I have seen Monterey go from a very lush beautiful country club to something along the lines of shabby .
Don't get me wrong…I love it here because it is my home and I take pride in what I have accomplished here. But I have to point out that it does seem as tho the Board has making changes that are not all that beneficial to the grounds and the homeowners.
I work full time, so it is difficult for me to attend a monthly meeting. If the Forum/HOA page was up and running and information was put online it will help me a great deal. Whenever I get a package from MCC I too groan and say "What Now"??!! Kay's suggestion on keeping it simple and straight forward regarding anything we need to vote on would greatly help. I just don't have the time to wade thru it all!
Thank you Kay for setting a fire beneath my bottom. I was getting complacent in just accepting the ugly condo colors and the result of chopping up the landscape.
However, I did attend the meeting when the vote was overwhelmingly SHOT DOWN to introduce desert landscaping to MCC, so I have been surprised to see clumps of stark, unattractive "desert landscaping/ie: rocks popping up around the club. WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR VOTES?
I realize that committees are often thankless jobs, but the fact that the homeowners voted down desert landscaping and it is now made it's way in, I have to say the results look horrible and cheap.
There seems to be no cohesiveness on our streets, or in our neighborhoods!
I absolutely CRINGE every time I drive thru the gate and make my way up
Avenida del Sol. The cookie cutter design of an assortment of hodge lodge plants is so horrible I want to scream every time I drive by.
We would have had a more elegant entry had it been simple..
If you go to clubs like the Hideaway or Rancho LaQuinta they also have desert landscaping, but it is lush and colorful.
We could've achieved that by taking out some of the dead and really old plants around the club, and adding some beautiful plants(we don't have them approved here)…We could've then worked on areas as needed.
The tennis courts are a great example. The dirt, old scrubby plants look horrible….no landscaping there.
My street is another example of the rock landscaping that is going on. Most owners have mature plants that are beautiful, and then there are the rocks and rocks.
I know for a fact that the landscaping committees of late were determined to "do it their way"….I was told that the desert look was to get a water credit (?)from the city.
The fact is, we might have been able to do it in a more efficient and attractive way, had there been some who were willing to listen.
I too used to love to take Gran Via but must say that the pulled out plants, leaving roots and a dirty wall is just so sad. What was the plan? Work an area, and finish it. My guests even comment on the change…..
and its not good!
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:49 PM
Subject: Sherron at 231 Santa Barbara Circle
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
Dear Dana, Albert Management and the BOD - MCC
We were recently apprised of the proposed changes for a meeting set for July 18, 2013. We vehemently oppose all proposed changes. This includes height limitations above the wall with regard to plants and vegetation, bicycles on all non-asphalt areas of the community and finally no walking on the golf paths.
There is no rational basis for each of these proposed changes. Vegetation is important to the overall aesthetics with regard to a feeling of green and coolness in a desert setting. There are an insufficient number of cyclist to even be concerned with where cyclist should ride. Moreover, the term "non-asphalt areas" is vague and ambiguous. Finally, it is extremely rare that we see golfers on the golf path during golfing hours. Moreover, the restriction on pedestrians on the golf path is even more unnecessary during the several summer months during which the number of golfers on the course is at minimum usage.
As the board of directors the focus must be on our safety, maintenance of swimming pools and other common facilities and making sure landscaping contracts are reasonable and at minimum and competitive rates.
We are the homeowners who have ultimate say so as to restrictions, rights and matters concerning aesthetics. Drop the proposed changes from proposal and agendas. If you disagree with this position you let each and every homeowner decide through vote whether they want these changes.
Again, focus your attention and changes on maximum upkeep of pools and common area equipment, better television service and safety and security. Focus solely on ways our community can save on services and repairs. Leave any such unneeded and unnecessary changes off your agenda.
Sincerely,
Alvin and Kimberly Sherron
From: John Chavanne
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Subject: Comments on HOA directors' communication (lack of)
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
We are very pleased to be part of this community and want to offer our appreciation for the generally outstanding job that members of the HOA Board have done over the past several years. However, we believe that as a community we need more open communication between residents and the Board.
From our perspective we see the following problems that need addressing:
1. Notices of Meetings need to include more detail as to the matters to be discussed/voted on.
2. A reasonable recap of the minutes/decisions made during the monthly meetings needs to be at the minimum added to the HOA website with invitation for comments from the members. No controversial matters should be voted on (unless an emergency exists) before notice is given (see 2) to the general membership with invitation to comment. Perhaps a period of two or three months time could elapse before final vote is taken. We would think that if this is done on a regular basis it would help to prevent people from complaining about changes they were not previously informed of.
From: Lou Kridle
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Subject: Proposed Operating Rule Changes - Monterey Couontry Club, Palm Desert
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com
Cc: Louis Kridle
Following are my comments on the proposed operating rule change. Please pass this on to the Board members, and have my views expressed at the Board meeting scheduled for July 18, 2013.
July 1, 2013
Dear General Manager/Board of Directors
I am NOT in favor of the new/proposed “General Landscape Guidelines” and do not feel the Association has the right to require me to adhere to either height or plant/tree selection for my enclosed courtyard or enclosed side yard. It is my personal space. Likewise, I am NOT in favor of requiring me to choose from the “Association Approved Plant List”. What was wrong with the State of California Regulations?
Under “I – Workmanship” you added a lot about “Contractor Member”. I see no reason for this. Shouldn’t all “contractors” (whether “Member” or not) abide by ALL the regulations?
Personally, I think it is inappropriate to send out almost 100 pages of changes without an explanation of why these changes are necessary. Also, this is NOT the time of year to get feedback from owners – do it in January – March when most of the owners are in Palm Desert. I recommend you table this action until January – March 2014.
You can’t list/document every single issue that may arise relating to CC&R’s or Operating Rules. I think you have gone too far and are being overly restrictive. As an example: did one person, one time, place dog feces in the pool trash container, and now we have to have a written rule.
Sincerely
Lou Kridle (290 San Vicente Circle) July 11, 2013
I will follow this up with a hard copy “Attention General Manager/Board of Directors”, Monterey Country Club Association, 275 Avenida Del Sol, Palm Desert, CA 92260
From: Lola and Norm
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
AS A SNOWBIRD WE ARE SO DISAPPOINTED IN ALL THIS BECAUSE WE FEEL THE BOARD MUST BE HAVING A BORING SUMMER TO COME UP WITH ALL THIS RIDICULOUS THINGS WHILE MOST OF THE RESIDENCES ARE BACK IN THE HOME STATE OR CANADA. PLEASE FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO THEN DISRUPT THE LANDSCAPE AND THE BEAUTY OF MONTEREYCC AND LEAVE US ALONE TP ENJOY EACH OTHER GARDENS AND PLANTS AND COLORS.
LOLA AND NORMAN PAWER
________________________________________________
From: gene lewis
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum
Fwd: dana@albertmgmt.com
This is the 21st. Century. It is the century of Communication, Computers, I-Phones, Tablets, Tweet, Facebook, Skype, and many many other ways, yet, Albert Management in conjunction with MCC HOA, can't seem how to get clear and accurate information disseminated to the homeowners, who by the way, are who you work FOR, and who pay your salaries. Why is so important to change the CC&R's for our community, during a period when approx. 80% of the owners are not present. This reeks of Underhanded Intentions, and Self Fulfilling Agenda manipulation. This current HOA board, in conjunction with the management group, still after many years of dysfunctionality, don't get it. Do your jobs with the interest of most of the homeowners in mind, and do it in the Sunshine, for Everyone to see. As are representatives, paid and volunteers, it is your responsibility to keep us the homeowners, your boss, informed of your actions and potential changes. It is not our job to go to every board meeting if we want to know what is going on. Do Your Job. If you cannot figure out how to communicate, then we need people who can. Again, it is the 21st. Century.
Gene A. Lewis: 246 SBC: 760 285 - 0857
From: roger k mcmillan
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum
WARNING: You will pay a toll to drive a golf cart on Santa Barbara Circle
unless you own a condo on Santa Barbara. A yearly pass will be available.
roger mcmillan, 222 santa Barbara circle.
From: LLOYD
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Retraction Request
To: Monterey Open Forum , Monterey Homeowner
Cc: Dana Brown
Here is a typical problem as to what is wrong
with our Board. Dana Brown sends a note
that she REPRESENTS THE BOARD. I am sorry
to inform that supposedly the Board represents
the Homeowners and as such Dana works for
US AND NOT FOR THE BOARD.
If in fact it is once again the Board v. Homeowners
then a lawsuit surely will be filed and I for one will
support it.
Seems that the Board just can not get it in its
collective head that they represent US.
Robinson, 329 Sierra Madre South
From: Joan Ganje-Fischer
ReplyDeleteDate: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM
Subject: Rules changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com
July 12, 2013
Dear Monterey Country Club General Manager and Board of Directors;
We want to share with you that we are sincerely opposed to the “Landscape Guideline” changes under consideration by the HOA board of directors at their July 18, 2013 board meeting. We are especially opposed to requiring homeowners to select from a list of “approved” venders for work done within our units. Also, any attempt by the board to make changes to CC and R rules and regulations “in the middle of the night” is offensive. Whether purposeful or otherwise, this action gives the appearance of impropriety. Unless emergency dictates, all rule changes should only be purposed/made during those months when a majority of homeowners are in residence.
In totality, we are very disappointed with the current actions of this board of directors and request members either reconsider their actions or resign in favor of individuals who have greater respect for Monterey Country Club homeowners rights and obligations. Thank you.
Sincerely yours;
Joan and Larry Fischer, 289 San Vicente Circle
Hard copy to General Manager/Board of Directors”, Monterey Country Club Association, 275 Avanade Del Sol, Palm Desert, CA 92260 to follow.
From: Joan Ganje-Fischer
ReplyDeleteDate: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:23 AM
Subject: FW: Rules changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com, dana@albertmgmt.com, joe@albertmgt.com
It appears other homeowners also feel that what the MCC HOA Board is doing is very wrong.
From: Karl Hesper [mailto:hesper1@verizon.net]
ReplyDeleteSent: Friday, July 12, 2013 10:04 AM
To: Joan Ganje-Fischer
Subject: Re: Rules changes
Joan,
Perfect, I could not said it better.
If you want to put or name on your Letter, fell free to do so!!
Karl & Brigitte
Sent from my iPhone
From: Joan Ganje-Fischer [mailto:fischerj@nvc.net]
ReplyDeleteSent: Friday, July 12, 2013 9:51 AM
To: 'Joe Gibbs'
Subject: RE: Monterey Country Club Association Email Bulletin -Board Meeting Agenda
Joe;
With 90% of your homeowners not in residence, do you feel having this meeting is appropriate? Given the situation how do you expect reasonable in put from Monterey Country Club homeowners; or is this more about just doing what you want to do at a time when no one is present to object? This action is totally inappropriate. Joan Ganje-Fischer, 289 San Vicente Circle.
Joan Ganje-Fischer, President
From: Kathy Mendel
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum
Fwd: Dana Brown
I Oppose the plant height restrictions that the board is trying to pass! Let the homeowners enjoy what they want in the little privacy we have here!
Also lets have some color on our patios!
With the introduction of grey rocks & unimaginative desert landscaping( which I remember was overwhelmingly voted DOWN).. it seems like it is popping up everywhere...
It would be nice to see some color.
Kathy Mendel
From: Chris Sharp
ReplyDeleteDate: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM
Subject: Rule changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Dear HOA Board,
We have not previously engaged in the discussion about issues at MCC, believing that the Board was acting in the best interests of owners. However, we share the serious current concerns of homeowners, who have posted comments on the forum, about the proposed rule changes related to bushes and patio colours, and the loss of the clubhouse swimming pool. Having had experience of visiting East Germany, whilst living in the West, before the wall came down, we cannot but compare the excessive rules and drabness of that illegal state to the draconian rule changes now to be discussed, and probably adopted at MCC. As commented by other bloggers, we chose MCC to buy our home in the US because we wanted to relax and enjoy the fabulous views and restful ambience. The influences in decision making by executive bodies are often opaque. One often understands where this influence is coming from in Government decisions, but who is influencing the Board in these proposed changes? Such influences in a community such as MCC should be transparent and the whole process open to debate, which has belatedly happened. The Board needs to delay any decision for several months until the significance of the proposed changes has been fully appreciated by all interested homeowners.
Chris & Dee Sharp
From: Lou Kridle
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM
Subject: Proposed Ruke Changes.
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
I’m opposed to the Rule Changes the Board is recommending. Specifically (1) the height limit on plants and/or trees in your own courtyard and or side year, (2) being required to choose ONLY from the “Association Approved Plant List”, (3) the addition to adding a special section about “Contract Members” (one set of rules should apply to ALL “contractors”), (4) The restriction on approved colors for patio furnishings, (5) the ability to walk or jog on the golf cart trails, (6) that you only restrict depositing dog feces in the pool area trash containers (what about by the Club House or other common areas – is it OK to deposit in these trash containers?). Like I sad in my FAX and e-mails. You can’t list/document every single issue that may arise relating to CC&R’s or Operating Rules. You are going too far in your proposed restrictions.
I’m also opposed to the way and timing all this is going down.
Respectfully Yours …. Louis Kridle, 290 San Vicente Circle
From: Ed Rudetsky
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum
I am certain that homeowners should trim plants in their courtyard to community standards. We all know the difference between a jungle and an English garden. Also, a kaleidoscope of color from patio to patio might turn the MCC into a circus of a thousand colors. Pale brown is a pleasant way to go. If one wishes to express himself in color, why not take it to the privacy of one’s bedroom and leave the common grounds neutral.
I oppose the plant height rule change.
I do not want more patio colors.
PS
(Our civilized discourse is the envy of my friends at the Springs.)
Edwin Rudetsky
From: Robert Purvin
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum , Monterey Homeowner
I don’t see how to comment on the rule changes, but my wife and I have enjoyed walking on the cart paths during the early evenings. I don’t think we have ever even seen a golfer during our walks, but to make such access a violation of HOA rules is disappointing. With the recent quorum changes to our HOA, I understand that a very small number of owners now has the power to invoke such changes.
bobpurvinsig
Robert L. Purvin, Jr.
Certified California Franchise Law Specialist
Negotiation and Mediation Services
From: Deena Brown
ReplyDeleteDate: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: : F8: HOA Proposed Rule Changes
To: Monterey Open Forum
We are part-time residents with internet access. Our full-time neighbors do not have internet. I believe each resident needs to be informed of any changes to the HOA rules. Every resident pay dues – not just the ones with internet, yet we are the only ones that know this is going on.
We also believe that changes to the HOA should only be made November through March and that all residents must be notified by hard copy in the mail unless they have opted out for email notifications.
Deena Brown
From: Tom Barry
ReplyDeleteDate: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Subject: Police State
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
The BOD are out of control. Maybe time for a recall.
Sent from my iPhone
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:44 AM
Subject: rule change
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
Fwd: Dana Brown
I oppose the plant height rule change.What about the privacy between condo patios? We all don't have side yards or end units that are walled in. And what's wrong with more colors? We are in the year of 2013. Get with it!!!!!
Betty Fabian.
From: James Kennedy
ReplyDeleteDate: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Subject: growth height
To: "dana@albertmgt.com"
Cc: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
As the saying goes "if its not broken don't fix it" If one or a few owners have allowed the growth to get out of control; speak to them directly. Don't come up with a blanket rule. The side yards are a source of enjoyment. Pleasing to the eye. If everyone has to cut them back all you see is a lot of brick walls.
Sincerely,
James Kennedy
327 San Remo
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ReplyDeleteFrom: Julie Hawkes
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Subject: Sent to the MCC board
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
To the MCC board -
This is the first letter I've written to the board. As an owner for the past ten years, I've read with disappointment how the board and owners relate to each other. Perhaps the better description is how they are at odds most of the time. This is unfortunate, because board members, on the whole, spend extra time working on issues that impact us all, yet they are perceived as power-hungry and dismissive of the owners' wishes. And when one thinks they need to defend against the other, it costs us all real money.
In my opinion, one of the ways the board can improve this relationship is by not proposing rule changes unless absolutely necessary for the safety or proper management of the club. Enforcement of the existing rules when there are problems without creating new onerous rules for everyone is typically received better in organizations.
If you think about great leaders, which I hope the board members of our association aspire to be, they lead by example...they "walk the walk" as we used to say at work. They attempt to "govern" by gaining the support and consensus of people, not by out-voting another faction, and not by creating more and more restrictive rules. It would be great to see the board members communicate their ideas for resolving issues, solicit comments from owners, and then hold meetings based on these discussions.
Another way to display the board's accountability toward owners would be to avoid proposing rule changes when a large majority of owners are absent from their homes. Proposing controversial rule changes now, as opposed to the November to May time period, will always raise the hackles of people who, just like board members, want a beautiful, safe neighborhood in which to live. It's just common sense.
And what's the worst that can happen if the board waits until everyone is back to make a change? Maybe that plant will grow another 6 inches, but it probably isn't going to hurt anyone. And in a desert environment, seeing more of a wall, instead of a beautiful bougainvillea cascading over the wall, makes us all feel hotter!
The best of all situations would be for the board and the owners to feel as if they are working in tandem to resolve genuine safety and management issues. Because owners are not around in the off season and don't attend board meetings, it must seem to the board that we aren't interested. Believe me, we are.
Thank you for listening.
Julie Hawkes
242 Calle Del Verano
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Subject: Rule Changes
To: montereyopenforum@gmail.com
I am writing this in hopes that you will read it before 7/18/13. I am prepared to drive to Monterey Country Club to voice my opinion on what the "board" is trying to push through as NEW RULES, at the board meeting on July 18, 2013. That would be a 120 miles drive ONE WAY, just to say what gives you the right to make up these "new rules" without any discussion from the rest of the homeowners??? I definitely vote against the proposal to lower the height of ANY plant or tree to the height of the wall. We could end up with a place that resembles the Berlin Wall!!! Please, think before you make these "off the wall" rule changes. They do not benefit the majority of homeowners & they are totally uncalled for without some discussion from all of US.
Marge Barrett McMenomy 260 Avenida Del Sol
From: Bob Randall
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum
Amen to all above.
Randall 201 madrid.
From: Robert Purvin
ReplyDeleteDate: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum , Monterey Homeowner , Dana Brown
How do you vote against the Rule change involving cart paths. We enjoy sunset walks on the golf course paths and have never seen a golfer during the hours we walk.
Introducing the AAFD Story video (3 ½ minutes) bobpurvinsig
Robert L. Purvin, Jr.
Chair and CEO
From:
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Subject: RE: Fwd: Bobbi and Dan HOA Rule Changes email -Read it!- You will be glad you did
To: Monterey Open Forum
Hi there,
We have not been down in Palm Desert due to work obligations here in Sherman Oaks. I am so opposed to all these changes, and I really want to know who decides on these things? I was furious at the idea of chopping all the golf course side patio plants to 48 inches. It will mean we will have zero privacy when sitting out on our patios. Someone suddenly decided it would look better? Who? We have a neighbor who was able to get these beautiful pink blossoming trees removed from a common area because they bothered him, and now their place is up for sale. These trees were gorgeous. When our pool area was revamped they removed three beautiful trees that provided the only shade. The pool area looks fantastic, but the shade trees could have been left alone.
And now we won't be able to walk on the golf cart path when no one is golfing? Who decided this? It seems like a few people make up all the rules and change them when they want. The meetings are always on Thursdays when the part time owners aren't in town.
I wonder if those lawyers Monterey retains come up with some of this stuff? They really should have been sued for malpractice.
What happened less government?
Joanne Gough
459 Sierra Madre N.
From: Steven Leon
ReplyDeleteDate: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM
Subject: Proposed HOA Changes: NOT IN FAVOR!
To: "montereyopenforum@gmail.com"
Cc: Julia Leon
Dear General Manager/BOD of Monterey CC,
As a unit owner residing in at 219 Calle Del Verano, we are very sad, disappointed and flummoxed to say the least on the proposed changes regarding plant height restrictions, no walking on the golf paths, fence protecting us from errant golf balls, et al...as are several disgruntled folks.
WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES!
After reviewing several frustrated Monterey CC occupants, it's fairly clear to us (and several others) that having a board meeting in the middle of the summer (when most folks are not present) implies impropriety by the Monterey GM and Board of Directors to attempt to pass through these proposed changes with minimal opposition from vacant residents.
All Monterey units are as unique as the individuals that occupy them; what is not unique is that the BOD continually (and frequently) insults the intelligence and freedom of expression that we all have as owners. In most cases, the unique brand that brought us to Monterey in the first place (there are several other developments in the area, by the way) has started to erode by tactics such as these.
Nonetheless, we all pay the monthly HOA dues and other associated fees like clockwork; however, it appears that the inner workings of the board that governs us at times does not work as smoothly...
Keep it simple; there is no rational or necessary basis for these changes. Please refrain and reconsider your position on these changes. Do not invite unwanted (and unnecessary) legal implications regarding the letter of the law contained in the CCR's on what is and is not common and or individual in an enclosed area of individual owner property.
Use of individual owner property, (that we pay for), HOA dues that pay for other common areas on Monterey that we pay for and legal fees (that we do not need to pay for) need to be seriously considered.
We trust you will make the right decision (or some legal basis will do it for us all...) in the meantime, we oppose these changes.
Sincerely,
Julia and Steven Leon
219 Calle Del Verano
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